Another user is talking about them also. The LE source below is an LE sources close to the Delphi Murders investigation. In September of 2020, messages began circulating online that were allegedly between the man who found the girls' bodies and his friend. "No, that's not her nor Libby," he wrote in his text response. Victim was an 8-12 year old female. In a blown-up pic of him, you can clearly see that it has the shape of handcuffs. A handgun, in order to do ballistics tests on it. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, This is a community where we can speak openly about the Murders of Libby and Abby in Delphi, IN, Press J to jump to the feed. On February 13, 2017, Liberty German, age 14, and Abigail Williams, age 13, were hiking on the Delphi Historic Trail near the Monon High Bridge just east of Delphi in Carroll County, Indiana.. They are black and white and do mention some aspects of how they died. Could it that the killers were middle aged men, DP and not sure yet, maybe FSG but both dressed exact same so people would be confused? If LE actually believes that BG was 50 years old, why did they put out this statement that he looks like this ridiculous sketch of a very young man or even an 18-40 year old man? They were folded on her chest. Im thinking theres around 10 more people, in addition to the four youve mentioned, that are involved with a retaliation/revenge motive. A famous one is the Lewiston Killer in Lewiston, Idaho in the late 1970s. The version of the suspect sketch in the image was not released until April 2019, so the photo would have been taken at least two years after the murders. Kline is said to have arranged to meet with Libby on the Delphi High Bridge the day before she was murdered while walking along it. The motive is apparently lust murder motivated by sexual sadism combined with psychopathy, the classic formulation almost all serial killers have. I am thinking that maybe which ever one was pregnant may not have known. Its all about the zero-sum game. Phallic objects, specifically a log and a doll, placed next and perpendicular to the genitals of the girls to give the impression that they were being sexually penetrated by these objects. Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect, and he hasnt even risen to that level yet. I have no idea why shes doing this, but its not because she killed her own sister. BG made a deep cut to the throat of one victim, probably with a hatchet, that resembles the deep cuts made to the throats of pigs at some slaughterhouses. Is he into numerology? So Mr. X was more traumatized by this crime than anyone else, including the victims grandmother who was hurt more than anyone. Alex Oliveira For Dailymail.Com
The scope of this investigation in terms of who the police think did it and how it unfolded has been dramatically narrowed. DELPHI, Ind. I tend to agree. This was just the most underhanded, disgusting display of we need a fall guy, and LE should be ashamed of themselves. He prefers whiskey, its his drink of choice and hes off without it. The sketch of the younger man is the catfish of the 19 year old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat. Via LE Source A, we learned that LE has only recently started to believe that BG (Mr. X) is also responsible for the Evansdale Murders. Wait so the part about him recording the crime is some search warrant given to someone where the cops wanted to check media files? Thats a full 18 hours. Underwear, possible two pairs, was found in the river. Deals with gruesome matters concerning the brutal sex murders of four female minors - mostly about two young teenage girls aged 13 and 14 but also a bit about related murders of two little girls aged 8 and 10. Hes been on my radar for a long time now. Busy location with a diner nearby. He is happy to do so. For information on these documents, see the special section below where their nature and provenance is explained. I dont know if he actually used the binoculars to spot them. KAK and his Dad. Though there was no press conference held on the third anniversary of the murders in February of 2020, investigators said that the case was not cold. Classy. I think the girls met up with BG somewhere on that trail before they got onto the bridge. The other person involved that is kin to this POI. This implies that the girls were returned to the scene later. This is a rumor that a woman walking her dogs on the bridge at 12:30 PM on the day of the murders, a full hour before BG probably appeared on the trails at 1:30 PM, saw a man who looked like the Young BG sketch. Children: Two daughters, one ~22, another ~30. The one thing I cannot do is help him get away with his crimes, that is, be an accessory. I've seen that a few times. Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said the information in the probable cause affidavit is "self-explanatory" and declined to comment further. Id prefer stuff thats in the papers. Neither Brittany nor Kathy is suspected of having any connection to the killings, and there's no suggestion either woman knew of Allen's alleged links to the murders. I am sure the person you and Mr. Lindsay are speculating who BG is, is spot on. R/LibbyandAbby is awful, but its a lot better than r/DelphiMurders. Hence, formally, everything Leaker said has gone into unconfirmed rumors other than the things we were able to confirm from other probative sources. A transcript of what they thought was being said was agreed on by this group. I dont know if Mr. X is part of the groups promoting the trail system, but for some reason, I doubt it. I would like to email this , as it is not particularly relevant to the comments on this page. The 14-year-old also captured a grainy video on her phone of a man dressed in blue jeans, a jacket and a hoodie walking along the abandoned railroad bridge. I 100% agree about Mr X, and I recently seen a pic of his stepson which I think looks similar to the YBG sketch. Is that also speculation? Did the girls have wet clothes where they were found? The February 2017 killings of teens Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in Delphi has drawn international attention. You say that you dont even have a suspect, and youre waiting on that one tip to come in, but youre worried about double jeopardy? A suspect has been arrested and charged in connection with the murders of two Indiana teens who were slain on a hiking trail near Delphi, Indiana, more than five years ago, Indiana State Police. Yes I thought the suspect had been recorded walking on the raailroad tracks on one of the girls phones. But its definitely him! In the years since Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered, there have been no arrests. However, we presently lack evidence that Mr. X worked at Indiana Packers. These are the only claims that people can hold us to because with all the rest, we openly admit that the claims are Unverified, so we should not be held to any of those claims. Its a very rare occurrence, only 1.3% of the victims is left in an unusual, corrected position. I cant see where this is! FSG didnt recognize him either, and Im sure that FSG and Mr. X knew each other. This year, Allen "again admitted" to police "that he was on the trail but denied knowing Victim 1 or Victim 2 and denied any involvement in their murders," according to the probable cause affidavit. Long, 22 pages. Highly functioning drunk; its the only way he can appear normal. The gun jammed, which Garrett said is common. No one else reacted that way. I do not feel comfortable answering that question right now. Important facts released by family. Delphi Murders if bodies were staged or posed what does that - reddit You might consider joining us in our private group. Kegan Kline cannot be involved either. Investigators believe the man is the killer. Garrett said it's possible that the gun jammed and the killer turned to another weapon. This would explain how he could control two teens from running away as well as using a fake gun and badge. youre smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bomb-sized hints we keep dropping. Recently moved to a small city nearby, possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime. It was also asked How did BG get across that knee-high stream in the middle of winter without nearly getting hypothermia? The girls would have also been subject to hypothermia?? The trail in Delphi, Indiana, where Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were killed on Feb. 13, 2017. See the photo Weve got a secret? We think the secret is that one girl is pregnant. A girls hand wrapped around a knife which was plunged into a log that she was resting her head on. Thats the price you pay to live in a free society. Weve been proven correct on eight different things that only the police could have known. Calling off the search the night the girls went missing was a really, really bad choice. Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail "Abby" Williams. To say these girls had things shoved in them without proof is horrible for their parents. Mr. X has is not even at the Person of Interest stage in this case. It was all over by 3:30 sure takes a lot of the heat off of LE for calling off that search, amirite? Why would they deliberately contradict their own beliefs? David, the person involved in the leaked text messages, claimed that the girls died from stabbing. Neither he nor his father have been arrested over the Delphi Bridge killings. The rumor that there was a spent cartridge at the scene is therefore confirmed. We dont know who his roommate was in Delphi and then again in Evansdale, and we also dont know what sort of work they had both been moved over there for. We are not sure of Mr. Xs current job, but we think he might be selling wooden signs that he makes by himself and sells. Delphi Murders Update April 13, 2021: Stunning Rumors about the Murders Everything We Know About The Unsolved Delphi Murders - Grunge.com I have an official case document here in my hand. That leads me, and others more knowledgeable than me, that there was SOMETHING with the bodies (possibly posed)that local LE thought there could be a serial killer. He cant even drive a car! What makes even less sense to me are some of the things that they have said or at least have not challenged as not being factual. Is there any meaning to these numbers or is he just playing sneaky, tricky games with us like these guys often do. I want to be respectful to someone who is innocent until proven guilty also. Shameful. We now have a better time frame for Mr. Xs truck being parked at the cemetery. Isnt that logical. Some claims are listed as unverified. Hes in prison where he belongs. Important residence periods: Moved to Evansdale, Iowa in 2011-2012 to work at a slaughterhouse possibly aligned with Tyson Foods there. And Mr X was involved in a Christian teen club! The two dates are perfect reversals of one another. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Wow, this is some incredible news. As you can see, the numbers are the same. All of the speculation about their final moments is unconfirmed. Delphi Murders if bodies were staged or posed what does that say about the killer Found an interesting article regarding the act of stating and posing bodies. Keep sleuthing, youre on point to what I see. I think cycles finally straighten out at age 15. We dont do that on here and never have. After the girls body was found, at the time of her murder, the local police chased other suspects in connection with the case, but nothing stuck. Shes also written a book and is aware of my coverage. One question: I havent seen this anywhere but have the police questioned Mr. X about the murders? The authorities have been purposeful in not disclosing much information about the Delphi Murders. Join the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! Theres just journalists. Unsolved Murders Archives - TRUECRIMEGUY.COM We believe Mr. X stayed with the truck all that time in order to watch it. He had been there that morning too. I see T. Neighboring state. He was the right age, but he doesnt look like BG. They just accept everyone as long as you say youre straight. Could be something more nefarious. But how could they possibly know this? There is so much junk, lies, theory, you name it, it is there. Hi there, have just come across your work and am interested in joining the private group. So he obviously kept a copy of that for himself. Gas station attendant noticed something off with him, but hasnt made the connection! Eerie photos capture teens' death march 'Down the hill' - news I still have the pic. LE thinks he stashed his phone at the CPS building during the murders. Paul Etter: A 55 year old local man of many interests. Forgive me if someone else posted this.but the FBI was called in immediately. On Feb. 13, 2017, the two best Delphi Murders - Bodys Posed - LifeUnited These idiot cops. The girls would have also been subject to hypothermia?? The manner of death has never been revealed. He said he had lost his keys and was going to call his wife to bring a spare set of keys to him. One said hes a real nice guy and hes obviously a ladies man lol. The voice was a good match, the clothes looked familiar, and the walk was dead on. it would have been nice to track the boot prints around the cemetery to the crime scene to the river but I would assume all that evidence is gone. When interviewed by police in 2017, Allen said he was on the trail on the afternoon of the murders, according to the probable cause affidavit. Never knew what the case was against this man other than that he had property near the bridge, and he and his wifes alibi of being out of the state traveling got a bit mangled. Its at his home on a shelf! Thanks for all the info much appreciated. Exactly how the girls died remains unknown to the public, and the state their bodies were discovered in also remains shrouded in mystery. Will be posted by Saturday, March 11th. If you believe the leaked texts were real (and I do), Abby's arms were not spread out and over her head. Hes a straight man with a wife, but maybe hes wimpy like a lot of straight men are. Please do not share any sources that discuss the origin of the rumor and stick to the topic of the post. I realize unsolved would be a magnet for that but wow. Also stated that Abby survived the initial attack and she crawled towards Libby. By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. Investigators have never revealed how the girls died or disclosed details about the crime scene. Updated: 17:37 ET, Nov 29 2022 A BULLET found near the bodies of murdered teens Libby German and Abigail Williams tied suspect Richard Allen to the horrific killings, according to new court documents. I find it interesting that you stated he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman so that audio must have been on one of the girls cell phones? The Delphi Murders: chilling, puzzling and still unsolved. Can this Of course they would look for that. I am hoping this will possibly fit with somone elses knowledge and it will be helpful. LE would also be interested in anyone who may have helped Mr. X after the crime, perhaps burning evidence or whatever. Thank u. You will see below where we regard certain things as Proven. A user allegedly shared them on a FB group a few days ago. Im a retired homicide detective I know what Im talking about. The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. Bob Matlock, owner of the now-closed Jessies Bar & Grill, said Richard Matthews Allen and his wife were regular customers, often talking about the murders of 14-year-old Liberty Libby German and 13-year-old in 2017. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IIoxYhsduLQ, Protected: Post to Discuss All of the Various POIs and Theories in the Delphi Murders from the Crime to the Present, Protected to Avoid Libel and Character Assassination Part 10, Alt Left: This Is Almost Certainly the Single Most Inexplicable Series of Geopolitical Blunders in Recorded History, Alt Left: Add Iran to That Sino-Russian Alliance While You Are at It, NATO Helped the Ukrainians Fire All Those Drones at Russia, Including all the Way to Moscow, The Conquest of Germany and Japan Never Ended, The Conquest and Destruction of Russia Project Goes Way Back to Post World War 2, The Jewish Conspiracy To Subject Humankind. In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. He has not been charged in the Delphi case. How often to killers, of children or otherwise, take fucking photos and videos of their goddamned crimes? At least two prior marriages. This will dispel some rumors. I have to say that I noticed a lot of CSI activity at a location far from that bank. There are signatures on the document. was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details. Yes, I think Mr. X did this crime. According to Business Insider senior reporter and co-founder of The Murder Sheet podcast, ine Cain, Libby had an interaction with Kline on Instagram but thought she was interacting with the person in a photo Kline posted as himself, in an attempt to catfish young girls into sending nude photos. Though she cannot comment on this investigation since its ongoing, she MAY be able to offer clues. Background to the Delphi Murders On Monday, February 13th, 2017, at around 1 pm, Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off near the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana. Its a farce! I find it very hard to believe either of the girls were targeted by anyone-everything about this case screams random attack by a killer who knew the most likely location to find female victims he could easily overpower. The truth is that some of the things LE said in that conference are true. LE caught Mr. X in the lies about losing his keys, calling his wife to bring him a spare, and a spare even existing in the first place. Everything We Know About The Unsolved Delphi Murders. We wrote an article a while back pointing out that we felt Holder was innocent, and that set off a spate of hate mail and threats from him and his son, which we found odd. Come on, people. In addition, we may have more documents. It is important to note that the validity of the text messages has not and cannot be corroborated at this time. He uses all kinds of weird aliases. Furthermore, we have two different LE sources, both detectives in Indiana, tell us that this is exactly what happened. I saw this being explained in some YT comments to a bunch of brainlets. Corn fields? A few people were claiming it was Abby leaned against a tree with her face covered in blood, claw marks on the ground, and a pool of blood a few feet away. Search warrants obtained by a podcast and a local television station are shedding new . High Robert, RL couldnt have done it because he was violating the terms of his probation and was caught on camera drinking in a pizza parlor. Does he say where he thinks they were found, if not 50ft from the water? By
A lot of my friends didnt join. Thats why he has those Packers boots on. Apparently there is a human need to wonder, guess, and posit. I am not sure. Mr. X was a senior in high school at the time. Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a9ecdae37f37f9e5f76df75466de7fce" );document.getElementById("b83dbe3da2").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. That person is probably some local creep getting revenge since those girls parents were into the same bullchit. when you send someone a file, you retain a copy for yourself. Delphi murders: Killer staged bodies and may have taken souvenir, new documents reveal Shocking new details have come to light about the murders of best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby. And possibly even other rapes and homicides. Problem is they only have nine markers on that partial sample. Not so much for 15 year old girls. It is interesting to note that the Evansdale girls were also abducted on the 13th. How bout taking it to heed, everyone? Correct. Only thing I can come up with if we go with the rumors is that he draped them with the sheet that had the smiley face on it perhaps? There is also no indication as to who took the snap on the Monon High Bridge Trail. Why do kids play make-believe? Klines voice, however, has not been ruled out. However, Mindtruth has done a number of episodes on our information and I thank Bruce for that very much. She described his eyes as dark and evil. According to the warrant, Logan said he was in Lafayette on the day of the murders, visiting an aquarium. Investigators seized several devices, but Kline contacted them a few days later about a device they hadnt seized. Im not buying the fact that they just werent equipped to handle an investigation of this magnitude. This person is externalizing their pain into rage and projecting it outwards at the world. Mr. Xs wife, his daughter, and Becky Patty are now putting out a story that Mr. X never lost his keys in the first place.