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They were produced Nov.1940 thru May 1941. shells were re-used by the civil defence services. The helmet was then heat cured creating a hard durable textured finish. accross the pond,? 11-30-2022 Local Time 06:08 AM The "4B" is a McCord Radiator stamp for the M17A1 (aka "Kelly") helmet. The Great War Forum Limited //-->, By Please enquire in advance about our arrangements for telephone bidding. dailyinfo[27]=' 5778 Private William CUMMINGS 6th Bn. M1 fixed bail, 34th ID "Red Bull" w/ Mickey Mouse Camo. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. Welcome to the forum SR71, there's not much to go on without it's liner. Upload or insert images from URL. var mydate=new Date() Antiques, Stamps, Coins & Militaria. Colloquially, it was called the shrapnel helmet, battle bowler, Tommy helmet, tin hat, and in the United States the doughboy helmet. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' John Brodie designed the 'tin helmet' as worn in WW1, hence its name. The American manufactures used an entirely different method to apply the paint to the helmets. The American shell is heavier. The sellers description may read, American WWI helmet or British WWI helmet. The American M1917 helmet shells were pressed and stamped into bowl shapes by 7 company's they were. http://www.cefresearch.com/phpBB2/index.php, Here is a reply from Roger Lucy, who wrote the book TIN LIDS, "In his article on the Mk.I in Militaria # 6, July, 1994, the British helmet guru, Marcus Cotton, suggests that FKS probably stands for Thos. Recently on another Great war forum, a collector asked what the FKS on the inside of his WW1 brodie shell meant. This helmet was called The Helmet, Steel, Mark I but is also sometimes referred to as the Brodie steel helmet or the Brodie Mark I helmet. // Stop Define Variables for days of the month dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. In total the steel cap, liner and the accoutrements such as the chinstrap weighed 2.85 pounds or 1.29 kgs. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN France ' A heat stamp of 50A with an 'S' beneath it on a Schlueter manufactured helmet. Often American GIs used the steel cap from the M1 as a rudimentary entrenching tool to dig these foxholes. Please consider supporting our videos on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/simplehistoryThe British Helmet in World War IJohn L. Brodie had invented and patente. This differed from the British helmet, as the Mk. dailyinfo[13]=' 37643 Sapper Thomas John ECCLESTON Tunnelling Coy. There are some small differences though, one being British chinstrap have stamped steel or brass slide buckles while the Americans favored cast steel slide buckles. The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. I looked around and could not find any listings for that steel maker. My reply to to that collector is below "If the Brodie Red stamp has the words "patent applied" then it's pre pre Aug 1916 , post Aug 1916 stamps were marked "patent no.1 18 03/16". if it is red underneathit could have been. Easiest well to tell if the shell is Brit or US is by how the chin strap bails are held in place. His full name was Kenneth George YeomanGeeson. The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain. 1999-11-70-31 The Brodie design featured a brim 2in (5cm) wide, which protected the head and shoulders from above. Production increased rapidly in 1916 and by that summer over a million units had been produced. Nearly three million of these M1917 helmets were produced by the time that the war ended in November 1918, clearly indicating the importance of an effective military helmet for the American armed forces going forward. The development of a replacement model, the Mark II, and its widespread distribution from 1940 onwards meant that the evacuation from Dunkirk was one of the last military campaigns during which the original Brodie was worn extensively by British troops. Thank you for your reply. I'm reading about them constantly and have never seen a comparison or "Idiot's Guide". Really appreciate the expertise provided here and hoping that you can help me with the helmet pictured. The most widely recognised Air Raid Warden's helmet insignia is the two-inch high 'W'.Depending on the air raid warden's rank he would have either a black helmet with white 'W' or a white helmet with black 'W' (plus one or two one-inch bars (separated by a half-inch gap) to denote seniority within the wardens' service).However, there are a thousands of helmets from various localities with a . dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). Thank you so much Leon i appreciate that , now i have all the info to keep, somehow i could never bear to part with these two gems , and they were both luck on finding as i was not looking for them in the first place, i just thought hey that's nice and bought them for my shelf , again thank you. Frankston RSL Sub Branch Munition, German 75 mm. Imperial Russian Adrian helmet. Should I get a replacement liner and chinstrap or just leave it as it is? The Brodie helmet, nicknamed after it's designer, John Brodie, was Britain's answer in 1915 to the disproportionate number of head wounds by troops at the front. Royal Engineers who died 31/01/1919 COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY Germany ' With 'COMET ABL 56' printed inside. There are 3 letters painted on the front i think it could be either one of these combinations: With New Vegas, I luckily was able to use the NCR Trooper Helmet, but there is no helmet like that in this game. Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet or Tommy helmet, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. The asbestos pad is quite safe it is only the thickness of thick paper, my only doubt is the chin strap mounts they are, riveted the British used split pins. Northamptonshire Regiment who died 14/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' You can contact the auctioneer on +353 1 282 6107 for more information. I have looked on a couple brodie specialist websites and cant find anything. First questions and then the story. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' This was the American M1 helmet, arguably the most iconic and recognizable military helmet produced in modern times. on the American helmet they look very crudely overlapped. Awesome, thanks for the replies. While the M1917 and Brodie helmets appear very similar, a few characteristics like the chinstrap ball, construction material and paint were slightly different. Thanks for the info lads. It is unknown what is any maker marks these companies used. Consequently a plastic liner, engineered by the car company, General Motors, was introduced, and it was this method, albeit with some alterations to the chin straps and other accoutrements, which was employed for decades in conflicts such as the Korean War and the Vietnam War. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' WW2 British Army Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs. Known Heat or Manufacturer Lot code Stamp Marks of M1917 shells. Is it a BEF or US helmet? Yet, as well will now see, the Brodies legacy was even greater, for it provided the template for the more influential M1 helmet which was developed in America and which is the most significant military helmet of the twentieth century. Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France ' WW1 US AEF Unit Flashed Brodie Combat Helmet & Liner - $612.65. Hi, I recently found my Step-dad's Father's WW2 Mk.1* Brodie. View detail. Commonly referred to as the "Kelly" between 1932 and 1936 the M1917 and the British MK1 helmets in America. View detail. The series of number which follow the manufacture mark is a heating lot number used by the factory in the manufacturing process. arrived in France in 1917 wearing wool campaign hats, which would have beenunsuitablefor trench combat. and Gen. Hos. This style of helmet had been in use since the 1st World War and was often colloquially known as the Tommy helmet in the UK or as the Doughboy helmet in the US. depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. Firth & Sons. Me and a mate found. That's how the helmet got its official name as well. 5min video no sound date 1918 Military helmets manufactured at a factory in USA. liners in them, so it would not matter if you were to put an other makers liner in it as long as it's the same date as the shell. Brodie Helmet ID?